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#13: John Palmer  c.  Christopher Manser  - Witness for Plaintiff, 1487-02-23
sourceLondon Metropolitan Archives, MS DL/C/A/001/MS09065, 13v-14r
summaryTestifies that he was present in the house of Christopher Manser in the first or second week of last Lent, along with Thomas Martyn and an old man whose name he does not know, when John Palmer asked Manser if he had the money he owed him. Manser replied that he did not have the money, but that if Palmer accepted, he could give him three quarters of oats and one quarter of wheat as partial payment of his debt sometime in the following two weeks. He swore to uphold this promise. The latter agreed, and told Manser he would subtract the market value of the oat and wheat from his debt.
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On behalf of John Palmer c. Christopher Manser

23 February, in the year etc. [14]86

Roger Carpenter of the parish of St. Katherine Crichurch of the city of London, where he has lived for four years or thereabouts, illiterate, of free condition, thirty-six years old or thereabouts, as he says. Inducted as a witness etc., he says that he has known John Palmer from the feast of Christmas a year ago, and Christopher Manser for a year or thereabouts. To the second article, he says that on a certain day in the first or second week of last Lent, which day this witness cannot otherwise specify, this witness was present in the dwelling-house of Christopher Manser in the parish of Tottenham, where and when, after Christopher, John Palmer, and the others in the house had a meal, John, in the presence of this witness, Thomas Martyn, and another old man whose name he does not know, asked Christopher when he would pay him the money that he owed him. The same Christopher answered that he did not have in ready money to pay John[1], but he asked him if he would accept oats and a quarter of wheat in partial payment of his debt, and although John said to him that he would willingly accept the wheat and oats as partial payment of the promised money, if Christopher would give his promise; he declared to him that many other times he had promised him and then afterwards had not fulfilled his promise. And Christopher swore on the faith of his body that that week or the next following the same John Palmer would have from him three quarters of oats and one quarter of wheat in partial payment of the aforesaid debt. And the same John said to him that he would subtract from the total of his debt according to what the grain would fetch at the common market. And moreover he says that since John Palmer was going back that same day to London, the same Christopher spoke to the same John Palmer, this witness, and Thomas Martyn at the Hermitage [2] [...] in the public street in the parish of Tottenham, and there John said to Christopher that he would remember well the promise he had made earlier that day, and Christopher, taking him by the right hand, swore by his faith that he would faithfully fulfill that promise. This witness deposes these things from his own sight and hearing, as he says. To the third and fourth articles, he says that he knows nothing concerning their contents. To the fifth and sixth articles, he says that the things he said above are true, and concerning fame and the other contents of the articles he knows nothing.
Ex parte Johannis Palmer contra Christoferum Manser

xxiii die Februarii anno et cetera lxxx sexto

Rogerus Cerpynter de parrochia sancte Katerine Crichurch civitatis London, ubi moram traxit per iiii annos vel circiter, illiteratus, libere condicionis, xxxvi annorum etatis vel circiter ut dicit. Testis et cetera, dicit quod Johannem Palmer a festo Natalis domini ultimo preterito ad annum elapsum, Christoferum Manser per annum vel circiter bene novit ut dicit. Ad secundum articulum dicit quod quodam die contingente in prima vel iida septimana in xlme ultimo preterito quem diem aliter specificare nescit, presens fuit iste juratus in domo habitacionis Christoferi Manser infra parrochia de Totenham situato ubi et quando postquam idem Christoferus, dictus Johannes Palmer, et alii in dicta domo pransi fuerunt prefatus Johannes, in presencia istius jurati, Thome Martyn, cuiusdam alterius viri senis cuius nomen ignorat, interrogavit dictum Christopherum quando vellet solvere sibi pecunias quas eidem debuit et ipse Christoferus respondebat quod non habuit in promptu [fol. 14r] pecunias ad satisfaciendum eidem Christofero[1] sed rogaret eundem quod vellet accepere avenas et unum quarterum frumenti in partem solucionem debiti sui et cum dictus Johannes diceret eidem quod vellet libenter accipere dictum frumentum et avenas sibi per eum in partem solucionis huiusmodi promissas si promissum suum idem Christoferus vellet adimplere et recitavit sibi quod pluries sibi alias promiserat quod postea non adimplevit, idem Christoferus juravit per fidem corporis sui quod eadem septimana vel proxima sequente idem Johannes Palmer haberet ab eodem tria quarterios avenarum et unum quarterum frumenti in partem solucionis debiti predicti. Et idem Johannes dixit eidem quod vellet allocare et diminuere de summa sibi debita secundum quod huiusmodi grana vendebantur communi foro. Et ulterius dicit quod cum prefatus Johannes Palmer revertebatur eodem die versus London prefatus Christopherus communicabat cum eodem Johanne Palmer, isto jurato, et Thoma Martyn usque ad heremitagium [...] in strata publica in parrochia de Totenham et ibidem predictus Johannes dixit eidem Christophero quod esset bene memor promissi sui alias per eum eodem die facti qui accipiens per manum dexteram juravit per fidem suam quod dictum promissum vellet fideliter perimplere, que deponit iste juratus de visu et auditu suis propriis ut dicit. Ad iii et iiiitum articulos dicit quod nescit deponere de contentis in eisdem. Ad vtum et vitum articulos dicit quod superius per eum dicta sunt vera, de fama et aliis contentis in dictis articulis nescit deponere.
[1] MS: Christopher, scribal error for John.
[2] The Hermitage and Chapel of St. Anne was situated on the high street of Tottenham; the hermitage was a cell dependent on the monastery of the Holy Trinity in London. William Robinson, The History and Antiquities of the Parish of Tottenham, 2 vols., 2nd ed. (London: Nicholls and Son, 1840), 1:16 (online).
[1] sic in MS; scribal error for Johanni.